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Why John McCain will win in November

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A bold prediction, I know, but one I feel pretty confident in making. The following will chronicle what I feel will be the near future events of this political season, that will lead to a John McCain victory this November. I will attempt to support my predictions with as much empirical evidence as possible, but keep in mind this is largely a prediction based on my gut, and opinions, so take it at face value.

John McCain will achieve victory in the next Fifty Two days. This is how I predict it will occur. First the key to victory is through independent voters. John McCain has long been a favorite of this group in the primaries often winning a majority of people who considered themselves "moderate Republicans". A very recent gallup tracking poll showed John McCain taking a leader in regards to independents over Obama (see Here)
I feel an important question to ask is why, has there been this sudden surge of independent voters, surely the selection of one of the most Conservative politicians in America, Sarah Palin, as his vice presidential nominee did not boost him in this category. My conclusion is this, Barack Obama was voted the MOST liberal senator in the United States (See Here) and chose the third most liberal senator as his running mate. Now Independents largely are not the political activists, or election junkys. They do not bother to follow such "frivolous" news until after the conventions, and until election day nears.

This being said It is my opinion that the polls would support my inclination that these independent voters are asking themselves for the first time "Who is Barack Obama?" and when searching for that answer, they are not finding the usual text book answer to exist. Barack Obama, is not a Laywer, not a successful businessman, not a long time Senator, not a Governor, not really anyone, except a well accomplished author. Such mystery doesn't sit well with a group of voters who already are hard to identify with, and very few are authors. As they delve into his record the National Journal's recent ranking does not bode well, and his selection of the Gaffe master himself Joseph Biden, and third most liberal senator, does not make for a very electable cocktail in terms of Independents.

What about hope and change? Doesn't Barack Obama's change and hope appeal to these voters, yes, I would say it does. But that message I am afraid is expired. John McCain's selection of Sarah Palin although, many things(political, desperate, unusual, unpredicted, and genius) was his greatest symbol of what he has been saying. He is a Maverick, and he proved it. Where as Barack Obama's selection although, necessary due to his inexperience, was also damning for his change message, how can he preach change, when doing as he would put it "much of the same" Biden was a classic pick of "old fashioned Washington". I think beyond that Palin although has a short record, has one of change, there is no doubt that with an approval rating as high as hers she has become iconic in her home state and other than some fabricated scandals remains squeaky clean. Where as Biden's selection opened a floodgate of possible gaffes, and a history as long as the Oregon trail of previous ones. It is my analysis that these combination of events have led to a winning of Independents by the McCain campaign.

It will take more than independents to win, won't it? Yes, and John McCain's selection of Sarah Palin is genius in the sense that her very conservative stances will not go unnoticed by the Republican base. NOTE: Not the "Christian Republican Base" as the Republican base John McCain was having the MOST trouble convincing in my opinion, was not the Christian Republicans. Obama vs McCain in the minds of Christian Republicans is not a competition I assure you. But the greatest struggle was convincing those Republicans who had doubts in John McCain's conservatism, largely placed in their minds from a hard fought Primary. But also due to his sponsoring and co-sponsoring of infamously as they would see "liberal" bills. McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy these were not legislative achievements that Republicans held dear or near.

It is these two culminating elements, the growing knowledge from Independents of Obama and the strengthening Republican base that lead me to my conclusion. John McCain will win in November, he has momentum, independents and conservatives. There is at this point little Obama can do, other than a radical change in campaign tact or Vice Presidential selection to save him.

Sincerely,
--The Whiz

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{"commentId":2902361,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}

Please keep the comments on point, criticism is to be expected, be respectful, also do not forget to vote for this article, and in my poll.

Thank you in advance,

--The Whiz

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Reply#1 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:41 PM EDT
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{"commentId":2902939,"authorDomain":"finalcut"}

Nice opinion piece. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

However, I think this remains to be seen:

ther than some fabricated scandals remains squeaky clean

So far I'm unconvinced she is "squeaky clean" - nor does she strike me as a real "change" instigator. Her interview last with Gibson did little to make me feel good about her. She seemed in over her head and ill informed. She tried way to hard to BS her way out of the Bush Doctrine question and she disappointed me with her back-pedal in regards to her religious conviction in terms of the war and the mission of God. She seemed far to willing to throw her beliefs under the bus for political expediency and that cowardness was disappointing.

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Reply#2 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:19 PM EDT
{"commentId":2908653,"authorDomain":"mondoj13"}
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{"commentId":2908828,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}
So far I'm unconvinced she is "squeaky clean" - nor does she strike me as a real "change" instigator.

I would say she is relatively squeaky, but I would concur with your assertion that she is not a "change" instigator, although her short record has some instances of change I am not entirely convinced she would do things much differently than past politicians.

--The Whiz

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    #2.2 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:10 AM EDT
    {"commentId":2913439,"authorDomain":"gedanken"}
    The "Bush Doctrine question" was BS because there are 4 Bush doctrines. It was a trick question and Charlie Gibson was trying to throw a curveball.

    Palin could have said that.

    Actually, Charlie Gibson gave her a soft-ball question; She could have stated any one of the four versions. She had four chances of getting it right.

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    #2.3 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:57 AM EDT
    {"commentId":2913649,"authorDomain":"rel3vant"}
    The "Bush Doctrine question" was BS because there are 4 Bush doctrines.

    What are the other ones? Preemptive war is the only policy I've ever heard that term used for. It was a radical change in foreign policy, and will probably the lasting legacy of Bush's time in office. Anyone who pays even casual attention to the new should have known that.

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    #2.4 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:17 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2914399,"authorDomain":"bgates43"}

    That's the only one I've ever heard too, badkungfu. And you'd thing a vice presidential candidate would be aware of a doctrine that took us to war.

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    #2.5 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:29 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2915171,"authorDomain":"finalcut"}

    sorry but I can't give her a pass if she didn't know it was a BS question - I read the washington post article that explained the 4 versions.. The author also mentions she doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is (and he says Gibson didn't either).

    If Gibson were a candidate for VP or President I would expect him to know our current foreign policy too - but he isn't so she doesn't get a free pass for his ignorance.

    It's her Job, as one of fifty Governers, to know what our country is doing but nationally and internationally. It is her job to understand our foreign policy and to be able to answer these types of questions. She couldn't.

    If it was a BS question she should have said so instead of giving me a BS answer. This isn't high school where you BS your way through tricky questions. This is our future as a nation and I'd prefer a candidate who had a grasp on the current situation. She doesn't seem to.

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      #2.6 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:40 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":2903031,"authorDomain":"alaskalady"}

      Why are we not talking bout the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? For us military families....this is pretty important stuff!

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      Reply#3 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:26 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2905601,"authorDomain":"etasch1"}

      I'm a Vietnam Vet, and like the Vietnam War, I support the troops but disapprove of the war. You're right - where is the discussion? Where do you stand?

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      #3.1 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:52 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2908044,"authorDomain":"alaskalady"}

      I believe the Colin Powell doctrine....no preemptive war, must be moral, and like General Powell said before we entered Iraq;"If you break it you must buy it". Afghanistan- moral and correct. Iraq- emotional reaction by Bush because we had been sucker punched.Opportunistic bull by the Neocons who saw this as a way to also help protect Israel ( wolfowitz especially)

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      #3.2 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:04 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2908344,"authorDomain":"etasch1"}

      You're my hero.

      {"commentId":2908344,"threadId":"356317","contentId":"1859341","authorDomain":"etasch1"}
        #3.3 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:30 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2908840,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}
        Why are we not talking bout the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? For us military families....this is pretty important stuff!

        The wars were not addressed in my piece as I think as sad as it is to say they have taken a back seat to Economics. Although it is an important issue I do not see either candidate as capable of immediate withdraw and Obama supports refocusing forces in Afghanistan, which is already in the process of being done, so essentially he and McCain war stance although, not the same, is moot.

        --The Whiz

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          #3.4 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:11 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":2903172,"authorDomain":"lpwillham"}

          I actually think you have it right. The facts are that "Political junkies" have followed this election since day 1.

          These people forget that only about 50 million people vote in primaries 125 million vote in general elections. They dont hang on every word but they will remember something important Obama has run ona word 'Change' he has based his campaign on a word with an indeterminate meaning.

          American voters want to know what you going to change, how it effects them. They maybe have tuned in to an Obama soundbite over the last 18 months and his speech today sound just like his speech 18 months ago. His message is now "old and tired".

          He has "overexposed himself" to the media to a point he is familiar.

          Moderates and independents tend to determine an election. They are not one or two issue voters and they tend to actually read up on candidates.

          In many ways Obama has based his campaign on anti war and the youth vote. Unfortunately for him, things are going pretty good in Iraq and the youth vote tend to not show up. He did not Learn from the McGovern Campaign of 72. You must connect with moderate middle America!

          Middle American does not vote vote for someone they see as a liberal or leftist!

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          Reply#4 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:35 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2905166,"authorDomain":"hmm"}
          Obama has run ona word 'Change' he has based his campaign on a word with an indeterminate meaning.

          Yeah right.

          OBAMA's PLan for Change

          Shine the Light on Washington Lobbying

          * Centralize Ethics and Lobbying Information for Voters: Obama will create a centralized Internet database of lobbying reports, ethics records, and campaign finance filings in a searchable, sortable and downloadable format. * Require Independent Monitoring of Lobbying Laws and Ethics Rules: Obama will use the power of the presidency to fight for an independent watchdog agency to oversee the investigation of congressional ethics violations so that the public can be assured that ethics complaints will be investigated.

          Shine the Light on Federal Contracts, Tax Breaks and Earmarks

          * Create a Public "Contracts and Influence" Database: As president, Obama will create a "contracts and influence" database that will disclose how much federal contractors spend on lobbying, and what contracts they are getting and how well they complete them. * Expose Special Interest Tax Breaks to Public Scrutiny: Barack Obama will ensure that any tax breaks for corporate recipients — or tax earmarks — are also publicly available on the Internet in an easily searchable format. * End Abuse of No-Bid Contracts: Barack Obama will end abuse of no-bid contracts by requiring that nearly all contract orders over $25,000 be competitively awarded. * Sunlight Before Signing: Too often bills are rushed through Congress and to the president before the public has the opportunity to review them. As president, Obama will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days. * Shine Light on Earmarks and Pork Barrel Spending: Obama's Transparency and Integrity in Earmarks Act will shed light on all earmarks by disclosing the name of the legislator who asked for each earmark, along with a written justification, 72 hours before they can be approved by the full Senate.

          Bring Americans Back into their Government

          * Hold 21st Century Fireside Chats: Obama will bring democracy and policy directly to the people by requiring his Cabinet officials to have periodic national broadband townhall meetings to discuss issues before their agencies. * Make White House Communications Public: Obama will amend executive orders to ensure that communications about regulatory policymaking between persons outside government and all White House staff are disclosed to the public. * Conduct Regulatory Agency Business in Public: Obama will require his appointees who lead the executive branch departments and rulemaking agencies to conduct the significant business of the agency in public, so that any citizen can see in person or watch on the Internet these debates. * Release Presidential Records: Obama will nullify the Bush attempts to make the timely release of presidential records more difficult.

          Free the Executive Branch from Special Interest Influence

          * Close the Revolving Door on Former and Future Employers: No political appointees in an Obama administration will be permitted to work on regulations or contracts directly and substantially related to their prior employer for two years. And no political appointee will be able to lobby the executive branch after leaving government service during the remainder of the administration. * Free Career Officials from the Influence of Politics: Obama will issue an executive order asking all new hires at the agencies to sign a form affirming that no political appointee offered them the job solely on the basis of political affiliation or contribution. * Reform the Political Appointee Process: FEMA Director Michael Brown was not qualified to head the agency, and the result was a disaster for the people of the Gulf Coast. But in an Obama administration, every official will have to rise to the standard of proven excellence in the agency's mission.

          Barack Obama's Record:

          * Federal Ethics Reform: Obama and Senator Feingold (D-WI) took on both parties and proposed ethics legislation that was described as the "gold standard" for reform. It was because of their leadership that ending subsidized corporate jet travel, mandating disclosure of lobbyists' bundling of contributions, and enacting strong new restrictions of lobbyist-sponsored trips became part of the final ethics bill that was signed into law. The Washington Post wrote in an editorial, "The final package is the strongest ethics legislation to emerge from Congress yet." * Google for Government: Americans have the right to know how their tax dollars are spent, but that information has been hidden from public view for too long. That's why Barack Obama and Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) passed a law to create a Google-like search engine to allow regular people to approximately track federal grants, contracts, earmarks, and loans online. The Chicago Sun-Times wrote, "It would enable the public to see where federal money goes and how it is spent. It's a brilliant idea." * Illinois Reform: In 1998, Obama joined forces with former U.S. Sen. Paul Simon (D-IL) to pass the toughest campaign finance law in Illinois history. The legislation banned the personal use of campaign money by Illinois legislators and banned most gifts from lobbyists. Before the law was passed, one organization ranked Illinois worst among 50 states for its campaign finance regulations. * A High Standard: Unlike other candidates Obama's campaign refuses to accept contributions from Washington lobbyists and political action committees.

          Also, basing your predictions on polls using likely voters is very misleading since the drive for Obama is mostly new registrations.

          Follow the money. The money points to Obama winning.

          Sen. Barack Obama broke his monthly fundraising record of $55 million in August, sources said today, but the campaign remains tight lipped about its total haul.

          Sen. John McCain's campaign already released its August totals, announcing he raised $47 million -- by far his best fundraising month to date. Washington Post 9/9/2008

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          #4.1 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:15 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2908872,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}

          Two things.

          the first, don't paste large portions of articles, please leave a link instead.

          Secondly

          Also, basing your predictions on polls using likely voters is very misleading since the drive for Obama is mostly new registrations.

          Follow the money. The money points to Obama winning.

          I based this largely with opinion, and the polls supported my speculation. I agree it is a risky, move to make predictions based off of the information because it is so rapidly changing which is why I prefaced this article the way I did.

          --The Whiz

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            #4.2 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:13 AM EDT
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            {"commentId":2903312,"authorDomain":"JohnRussell"}

            You lost me when you said Barack Obama is not a lawyer. He taught in freaking law school for Pete's sake. Next.

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            Reply#5 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:46 PM EDT
            {"commentId":2903546,"authorDomain":"GulliverSwift"}
            You lost me when you said Barack Obama is not a lawyer. He taught in freaking law school for Pete's sake. Next.

            Ditto.

            Although, I didn't want to say he went off the deep end. The Independents who just fell in love with Sarah are the ones who have gone off the deep end.

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            #5.1 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:04 PM EDT
            {"commentId":2905358,"authorDomain":"Profchaos"}

            teaching law and practicing law are quite different things

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            #5.2 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:30 PM EDT
            {"commentId":2905380,"authorDomain":"JohnRussell"}

            He's a lawyer. The article says he is not a lawyer. Case closed.

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            #5.3 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:32 PM EDT
            {"commentId":2907534,"authorDomain":"Profchaos"}

            I can go to school for engineering but then decide to be a chef. doesn't make me an engineer. how many cases has he tried? what law firm did/does he belong to?

            or i can go to school for law and then be a politican... same thing

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              #5.4 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:24 PM EDT
              {"commentId":2907711,"authorDomain":"faminchin"}

              He practiced law at a law firm when he first went into politics....or at least that's what he says in his book. I'd say that makes him a lawyer!

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                #5.5 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:38 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2907902,"authorDomain":"alexanderbadas"}

                Lawyer, a person with a law degree
                Attorney, a person who practices law
                Thats how I see it.

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                #5.6 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:53 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2908915,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}
                You lost me when you said Barack Obama is not a lawyer. He taught in freaking law school for Pete's sake. Next.

                Sorry to hear I lost you. I should've been more specific, where as Barack Obama has a law degree, he has never practiced law or been a partner in a law firm. Which was one of the appeals of choosing Joe Biden the pundits laughed saying "at least someone is now on the ticket with some law experience". Because Barack Obama never practiced law, John McCain never practiced law and Sarah Palin was yet to be announced, at the time, but likewise has never practiced law.

                I apologize for the generalization.

                --The Whiz

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                #5.7 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:17 AM EDT
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                {"commentId":2903659,"authorDomain":"thenuckels"}

                I agree with part of your analysis, but I think the use of 'independent' is a misnomer - low-information voter is more to the point. Bill Kristol referred to her appeal as the 'Wal-Mart' mom which probably reflects these voters more than 'independent' does.

                I happen to be a small 'i' independent voter and many others I know who also consider themselves to be 'independents' are very well-informed. Not being, strongly, committed to either party they are much more tuned into the issues and much less susceptible to the spin of the party lines.

                The second issue is the statement that Obama isn't a lawyer - what? He went to Harvard Law School, is the first African American to be President of the Harvard Law Review and taught law for heaven sakes!

                The 'squeaky clean' comment - Mrs. Palin is more than a little tarnished and in most circles would be considered unethical, if not outright immoral.

                Nevertheless, your conclusion on the result may turn out to be correct.

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                Reply#6 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:13 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2903835,"authorDomain":"GulliverSwift"}

                Maybe they should be called "tabloid voters".

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                #6.1 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:25 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2908978,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}
                I agree with part of your analysis, but I think the use of 'independent' is a misnomer - low-information voter is more to the point. Bill Kristol referred to her appeal as the 'Wal-Mart' mom which probably reflects these voters more than 'independent' does.

                I would agree that the term Independent is loosely applied in politics today and I would also agree with Gulliver that "Tabloid Voter" seems a more accurate description.

                As for the Squeaky clean comment, it was more to poke fun at the failed attempts of the Democratic party to come up with some credible scandal.

                The "Troopergate" was an inveracity, the down syndrome baby not being Palin's was an inveracity, there has been little adhesiveness to the accusations, and they've tried so hard that at this point most of what they attempt to say in harm, actually helps.

                --The Whiz

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                #6.2 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:22 AM EDT
                {"commentId":2926240,"authorDomain":"TheIndependentMan"}

                Hello,
                I happen to be, and am Proud of, being an Independent Voter with a capital "I".

                I see the real problem with this election as voters allowing the Media and Bloggers to make judgement for them.

                Read my article, "The Second Civil War in America" to learn more.

                The term "Tabloid Voter" BTW, is a perfect description.

                Is it copyrighted?
                hehe.

                btw..."The Whiz" is Dead On.

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                #6.3 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:39 PM EDT
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                {"commentId":2904159,"authorDomain":"dempseyhess"}

                As a Clinton Democrat a lot of us lost our enthusiasm for the Democratic ticket back in June. The selection of Senator Biden as the VP pick did little to increase our enthusiasm. The Democratic Convention confirmed our belief that the best candidate was not on the ticket. I just read another blog that hit the nail on the head when it discussed the downfall of Obama was he didn't have the strength to select Hillary as his running mate. An Obama-Clinton ticket would have excited us into action. I will no doubt vote for Obama as I am a devoted Democrat. But I can just not bring myself to do much more than that. I make a business call at least once a week across the street from the Minnesota Obama Campaign Headquarters and can not make myself go inside.

                Even before the Denver convention I was waiting for Obama to do something to make me want to take an active role in his campaign and nothing came across to me. Somehow, McCain picking Gov. Palin has brought excitement to his campaign. It is brought interest and excitement that Sen. Biden doesn't offer the Democratic ticket. I know a lot of people that vote on personality and character. They have a hard time warming up to Obama and Biden. Gov. Palin, while her politics leave a lot to be desired, represents something new to people looking for change, something more exciting than Biden.

                I believe that the media played a significant and unfortunate role in hyping Obama from relative obscurity to prominence after the 2004 convention. Bringing him to the forefront when the best thing for him to do was to built his credentials with service in the Senate. If he looses he has himself to blame.

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                Reply#7 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:47 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2904407,"authorDomain":"thenuckels"}

                Frederick of Woodbury, MN -

                I think many share your lack of enthusiasm for both tickets. As an small 'i' independent I have thought how much more representative and exciting a match-up between say, Ron Paul(R) and Dennis Kucinich(D) would have been. There would have been a real and dramatic choice to be made.

                That is not to say that the choice between McCain and Obama is not an important one, because the outcome could make a very big difference in the lives of all of us. To see all of this come down to a personality contest, gut feelings, and susceptibility to the mud slinging and spin doctors is so disappointing.

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                #7.1 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:06 PM EDT
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                {"commentId":2904616,"authorDomain":"belarius"}
                This being said It is my opinion that the polls would support my inclination that these independent voters are asking themselves for the first time "Who is Barack Obama?"

                With all due respect, it's difficult to say for certain what the polls mean at the moment. Historically, conventions creation a bounce that diminishes over time. That means that the short-term gains immediately following a convention are very unlikely to sustain themselves. That isn't to say that the current state of the polls is wrong of course, but it is difficult to say one way or another. If the polls look just as they do now in a week and a half, your analysis will be on much firmer footing.

                Barack Obama, is not a Laywer

                Actually, yes, he is. Went to Harvard Law School and passed the Illinois Bar. He worked in multiple firms, taught Constitutional law (arguably an important qualification for someone who hoped to pledge himself in its defense), edited the Harvard Law Review. McCain, by contrast, is not.

                It will take more than independents to win, won't it? Yes, and John McCain's selection of Sarah Palin is genius in the sense that her very conservative stances will not go unnoticed by the Republican base.

                In fact, shoring up the Republican base, while not without its merits, is more of a safe play that may not help McCain enough in the swing states. Overall, the only region he really dominates is the South, which was almost certainly going to vote for him anyway. While Palin does shore up some slightly threatened red states (e.g. Montana), the key states in this election remain very much in play, and most have shifted in McCain's favor, but not by very much.

                The fundamental question is this: will independents like Palin as they learn more about her? She's an effortless sell to conservative evangelicals, but a harder sell to moderates, who are more likely to vote on bread-and-butter issues. While independents have said that Palin makes them more likely to support the ticket, they also say that for Biden (+9 vs. +7, respectively). The difference is that Biden is a Known Quantity, while most Americans don't feel they really know Palin's position on the issues. In this regard, the VP debates are likely to be unusually important: if either Biden or Palin really drop the ball, it's going to hurt their ticket.

                The bottom line is that the race is currently as close as it has been in since May, but McCain's going to have do more if he wants to breath easy. Obama still has more electoral combinations than McCain does (Obama can potentially still win without Ohio, for example, but McCain likely cannot), and if McCain is currently still benefiting from a convention bump, his current support will erode slightly. Which might explain the newest spate of Republican vote suppression: call it "insurance."

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                Reply#8 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:25 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2905287,"authorDomain":"etasch1"}

                Whiz - While I appreciate your analysis, I think a lot of people are missing a very important basic point: This country is in big trouble and McCain's Party got us here. The election has become, but should not be, a contest between two personalities. In my opinion both men are competent, but neither will rule in a vacuum. The Republican Party, including McCain, must and will be held accountable. McCain, despite his act as a reformer, cannot turn the policies of his Party around. If he could, most Republicans wouldn't vote for him; but he can't, so they will. The Republicans are putting on a good charade to win over moderates and independents, but I'm counting on the fact that many voters are not going to fall for it. I believe the Republican Party will do anything to win. If nominating a chimpanzee as vice president would would have won them the vote of evolutionists, they would have done it.

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                • 2 votes
                Reply#9 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:26 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2926326,"authorDomain":"TheIndependentMan"}

                Dude,
                Listen........do you *really believe you are going to get change by switching back and forth between the Dems and the Repubs every 4 to 8 years?????? It's like chewing a lump of fat....4 chews on the left side of your mouth, 8 chews on the right side of your mouth. By doing that....do you really believe you can change the FAT to a Strawberry????? You People need to wake up. For Real.

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                • 2 votes
                #9.1 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:45 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2936303,"authorDomain":"finalcut"}

                if you're suggesting the alternative is to stick with one of the two parties for a prolonged period of time I doubt anyone would be happy.

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                  #9.2 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:31 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":2949737,"authorDomain":"TheIndependentMan"}

                  If you only chewed on one side of your mouth for eternity....would you still get a strawberry?

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                  • 1 vote
                  #9.3 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:23 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":2949814,"authorDomain":"finalcut"}

                  I don't know. But I would get jaw cramps and severely unbalanced tooth decay most likely.

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                    #9.4 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:30 AM EDT
                    {"commentId":2952929,"authorDomain":"Sem0lina"}

                    The sound of one jaw chewing...

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                      #9.5 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:55 PM EDT
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                      {"commentId":2905456,"authorDomain":"psbrewman"}

                      While I agree that "Independents and Moderates" will play a major role in this election, lets not forget the increased voter registration of democrats and the decline of republican registration. Might not seem significant but i shouldn't be overlooked. Polls show only a very small portion of the young voter, 18 to 21 years old. While this age group has been notorious for no shows, Obama has definitely invigorated them. There must be some truth to the prospect that this demographic could sway so called battleground states as the Republican party has started a campaign to reject college students from voting by arguing their college residence cannot be used as an address for registration.

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                      Reply#10 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:40 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":2906361,"authorDomain":"belarius"}
                      While this age group has been notorious for no shows, Obama has definitely invigorated them.

                      Additionally, a large number of Americans, especially young people, are now cell-phone-only, and as such don't participate in conventional polling. If the cell-vote is substantially different from the voter who get polled, the election results could come as a bit of a surprise.

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                      • 3 votes
                      #10.1 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:56 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":2907782,"authorDomain":"jhall22"}

                      From a report by the Pew Research Center to gauge the affects of the "cellphone only" crowd:

                      ...those who rely solely on cellphones were also significantly less likely to be registered to vote than their "cellphone mostly" counterparts and the public at large. Thus, in pre-election polls that are looking to gauge the opinions of voters, there is less of a chance that the "cellphone only" group would be underrepresented.

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                        #10.2 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:43 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":2909317,"authorDomain":"belarius"}

                        The report is here, BTW. What you say is absolutely correct: there's no proof it will matter, but with the Democrats engaging in an uncommonly thorough drive to register voters, I still maintain that there is a chance that it could. The Pew data certainly support the notion that cellphone-only Americans are more likely to vote Democrats (showing a greater Democratic lean in every category), making them a choice demographic to target for registration.

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                        #10.3 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:48 AM EDT
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                        {"commentId":2905478,"authorDomain":"rita5650"}

                        This is like saying if the GOP continues to cheat, steal and lie and deny voters their right to vote through intimidation they will win. Shameful

                        But I have to add that some conservative evangelicals as well as other churches and faith-based organizations are having second thoughts fearing that they might lose they're tax-free status because the GOP has involved them way too much into politics. If that happens they can thank the GOP and Rush Limbaugh for first entering Obama'a church and all the temple and messiah stuff.

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                        Reply#11 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:41 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":2905673,"authorDomain":"etasch1"}

                        Rita, that's exactly what I believe. For Dems to win voters must start thinking. Otherwise, it will be the same people in power who brought us to where we are today.

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                          #11.1 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:58 PM EDT
                          {"commentId":2907813,"authorDomain":"jhall22"}

                          Does Rev. Wright's church have a tax exempt status. How does that work exactly with him repeatedly endorsing a political candidate from the pulpit?

                          {"commentId":2907813,"threadId":"356317","contentId":"1859341","authorDomain":"jhall22"}
                            #11.2 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:45 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2908455,"authorDomain":"rita5650"}

                            I would think Wright's church has a tax-exempt status but he was talking about 9-11 and not endorsing a political candidate. The taped sermon was several years old and Rev Wright has retired. I was referring to Dr. James Dobson, Rev Hagee, etc.

                            Rev. T.J. Jakes told these other Preachers they were walking on a very thin line by endorsing any political candidate because doing so violates IRS rules in regards to tax-exemption. The Catholic Church also made a similar statement. I would think the Mormon Church would too because that church would never want the IRS going though its financial records because the records would then become public.

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                              #11.3 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:39 PM EDT
                              {"commentId":2930056,"authorDomain":"TheIndependentMan"}

                              The Democrats lie, cheat and steal just as much as the Repubs.
                              There is no difference.

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                              #11.4 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:16 PM EDT
                              {"commentId":2931756,"authorDomain":"belarius"}
                              The Democrats lie, cheat and steal just as much as the Repubs.

                              I actually have some data on that first point, if you're interested.

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                                #11.5 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:31 PM EDT
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                                {"commentId":2905676,"authorDomain":"girls3333"}

                                If voting was held today, yes those who historically voted (older whites), McCain would win. If it is held when all of the younger people are at play than Obama would win. But I was reading NPR.org where they held a forum with a group of people from a small town in OH and used that mixture of race & culture and the whites all voted for McCain no matter what but all of the browns (Blacks & Latinos) voted for Obama.

                                The whites were financially better off than the minorities but one white woman said that Obama was a Muslim and therefore he could not be President. No matter how many times this was proven to be incorrect, she was convinced she was right and no way she would vote for him. That is the 'secret' word...muslim but really BLACK.

                                So it came down to all of the banks closing, jobs moved to China, lost pensions and SS, whites claim they would still not vote for Obama but hey they are not racist, they don't trust him for he has no experience. yeah right!

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                                  Reply#12 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:59 PM EDT
                                  {"commentId":2905746,"authorDomain":"trueautism"}

                                  Now that we know how little Palin actually knows about anything, it's over for the McCain Palin ticket. Thanks Charlie G.

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                                  Reply#13 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:04 PM EDT
                                  {"commentId":2905880,"authorDomain":"bker1492"}

                                  I don't know if I can take eight more years of that incessant democrat whining and crying.

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                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#14 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:16 PM EDT
                                  {"commentId":2908632,"authorDomain":"rita5650"}

                                  So does this mean you want eight more years of people losing their homes, losing their jobs, and losing their kids. With all the wars McCain/Palin are planning on fighting , they would have to reinstate the draft and that would include women as well, which is ironic because Palin doesn't supports women's rights. Someone should ask her if she would draft women.

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                                    #14.1 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:53 PM EDT
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                                    {"commentId":2906186,"authorDomain":"evaunit6"}

                                    I think it's likely that McCain will win, but only because the American populace isn't grown-up enough to base their collective votes on facts and issues as opposed sound bites, personalities and flag pins.

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                                    Reply#15 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:42 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":2906933,"authorDomain":"gedanken"}

                                    Most supporters of McCain are older people. As soon as they realize that McCain is a Republican and wants to kill their Social Security, McCain's numbers will drop like a rock.

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                                    Reply#16 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:40 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":2907033,"authorDomain":"Sem0lina"}

                                    IMO there is only one possibility for Obama, now that he has finally stopped playing John Kerry 2004 and gotten on his knees to Bill Clinton. Only Bill can turn the tide for Obama. Bill and Sarah share the same kind of charisma, which Obama needs to leverage, the way McCain is leveraging Palin.

                                    As to your analysis: I voted someshat. Here's why: Obama picked the biggest advocate of the Iraq war in the democratic party. How is that a liberal senator, never mind an appeal to his base?

                                    You didn't see McCain abandon his base, why did Obama think he could throw his base down the toilet and come out on top?

                                    And this when Obama's whole rise was catalyzed by his opposition to the Iraq war. So what does this alliance say? And like you said, what does it say about his message of change? Where's the change?

                                    Biden was also a slap in the face to Hillary supporters, who I predict, will stay home in large numbers.
                                    Bill will really have to turn on the charm and seduce these women back (Go bubba!)

                                    I think McCain has gone from no chance to a pretty good chance of winning, if people continue to become alienated from Obama as they learn more about him. This has already started to happen. Biden doesn't help, there is nothing there to attract people, which is why he did so poorly in the primaries.

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                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#17 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:45 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":2926365,"authorDomain":"TheIndependentMan"}

                                    The CLintons should be in jail.
                                    period.

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                                    #17.1 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:49 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":2929312,"authorDomain":"Sem0lina"}

                                    That's a different question.

                                    A lot of people should be in jail!
                                    Which crimes do you think they should be jailed for?

                                    McCain should probably be in jail for napalming babies, actually, come to think of it...BTW liked your other comment about the chewing, fat, and strawberries!

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                                      #17.2 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 5:53 PM EDT
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                                      {"commentId":2907282,"authorDomain":"teamUSA"}

                                      Excellent article. Obama could LIKELY lose in November for these reasons:

                                      1. NO significant record of achievements as Senator.
                                      2. Spent 2 of his 3.5 years as US Senator running for President.
                                      3. Turned his back on Hillary, and her 18 million+ supporters.
                                      4. Ranked "Most liberal Senator" in 2007 by National Journal.

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                                      Reply#18 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:04 PM EDT
                                      {"commentId":2907832,"authorDomain":"dbe928"}

                                      Good analysis, and I agree Obama could lose in November, especially when people look at him as just another politicianm spouting off about change while never having done anything except talk a lot. McCain flew an A4 Skyhawk, served as a Senator for 18 years, has his name on important legislation, and is honest. Obama is a Soros-financed image man with the thinnest resume of any Presidential candidate in a long time, and is now stumbling and in shock because McCain pulled a brilliant move and chose a likable, feisty, smart Western Governor who has over 80 % approval ratings. The saving grace for Obama is that he has his safe Senate seat to return to after his loss.

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                                      • 2 votes
                                      Reply#19 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:46 PM EDT
                                      {"commentId":2907964,"authorDomain":"jhall22"}

                                      This is from last night's service forum:

                                      McCain continued, "I admire mayors. Listen, mayors have the toughest job, I think, in America. It's easy for me to go to Washington and, frankly, be somewhat divorced from the day-to-day challenges people have."

                                      Then Barack says:
                                      "Mayors have some of the toughest jobs in the country, because that's where the rubber hits the road. We yak in the Senate. They actually have to fill potholes and trim trees and make sure the garbage is taken away."

                                      And I agree with him, a mayor has to get the job done.

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                                      • 2 votes
                                      #19.1 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:59 PM EDT
                                      {"commentId":2915232,"authorDomain":"finalcut"}

                                      A may does have a tough job - I don't envy any of them; especially with so many city councils laden with fools. Our mayor took over a city on the verge of bankruptcy and and old-boys-club city council that was pretty much opposed to change and that has attempted to mock and humilate the new mayor from day one.

                                      It's amazing he has gotten anything done.

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                                      #19.2 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:44 PM EDT
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                                      {"commentId":2908583,"authorDomain":"etasch1"}

                                      McCain has temporarily distracted the populace, but once we get to the debates, reality will kick back in and the people will remember why we don't want another four years of the Republicans.

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                                        Reply#20 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:49 PM EDT
                                        {"commentId":2909031,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}
                                        McCain has temporarily distracted the populace, but once we get to the debates, reality will kick back in and the people will remember why we don't want another four years of the Republicans.

                                        The question is can the people be convinced that he is just like Bush? I would submit to you that he has a long enough track record he can come up with enough of examples of incidents when he wasn't like Bush, despite the sound bit of him saying he voted 90% of the time or 95% or whatever it was. The fact of the matter is, he didn't, McCain often, too often, by most Republican's standards stood next to or near the Democrats.

                                        --The Whiz

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                                        #20.1 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:25 AM EDT
                                        {"commentId":2909266,"authorDomain":"etasch1"}

                                        But then he walks a slippery slope. He risks the chance of losing some of his support if he leans too far to the left. Oh, never mind, that would infer that people are actually paying attention. You may be right on this one.

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                                          #20.2 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:44 AM EDT
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                                          {"commentId":2908638,"authorDomain":"dbe928"}

                                          Hey, if you want change go with the Republicans. That is what people will come to realize come November, and why McCain may win. The Dems? More of the same old stuff, never worked, never will, and people were sick of it years ago.

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                                          Reply#21 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:54 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":2909094,"authorDomain":"etasch1"}

                                          You must be very young. I'm guessing this may even be your first presidential election. No one who has been around for a while would make such a naive statement. Both parties have had successes and both have had failures. However, there may never have been more failures than what we have seen over the past seven years. I'm sorry, I like McCain, but he will not be able to deliver. His Party won't let him. Now, if your a rich kid with daddy paying all your bills, certainly vote for McCain because it will continue to be in your best interests. On the other hand, if you care about your country and your fellow man, Obama is the way to go.

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                                            #21.1 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:31 AM EDT
                                            {"commentId":2909160,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}
                                            Now, if your a rich kid with daddy paying all your bills, certainly vote for McCain because it will continue to be in your best interests. On the other hand, if you care about your country and your fellow man, Obama is the way to go.

                                            Unfortunately, I am not convinced that this is true.

                                            I also don't feel Obama's party platform is what is best for America entirely, don't get me wrong I am not on board with the Republicans either. I just don't think raising payroll taxes is, wise. Many small business are formed under what is called an "S" corp where personal income taxes are the same as company income, which would mean many of these people who own small businesses would see enormous tax burden increases.

                                            Not to mention his plan to raise capital gains tax, although back to the previous rate of 20% we saw under Clinton, historically raising the rate does not enthrall investors, and in the current market any more disinvestment and we'll have little left of the "wall" we call "wall street".

                                            --The Whiz

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                                            #21.2 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:36 AM EDT
                                            {"commentId":2909442,"authorDomain":"etasch1"}

                                            I don't think you're giving Obama enough credit. He's smart, and once in office will do the right thing. An election always tries to pinhole candidates, but neither of these guys can or will do everything that is being said or promised. What I'm banking on is that Obama and Congress will establish policies that will pull us out of the economic slump we are in. And, part of that is getting us out of this war. The economy is not just about taxes, it's about improving international relations, cutting wasteful spending, and improving our health care and educational systems. I trust the Dems way more on these issues.

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                                              #21.3 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:57 AM EDT
                                              {"commentId":2909634,"authorDomain":"etasch1"}

                                              BTW - My comment about being a rich young kid was directed at DBE. And I don't have anything against them unless they can't think for themselves. Actually, I wish I was a young rich kid.

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                                                #21.4 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:11 AM EDT
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                                                {"commentId":2910010,"authorDomain":"st-theresa"}

                                                I voted "no," but don't dare make a prediction. There are two opposing forces here: one is the difficulty Palin and McCain may have with her record and his recreation of himself. They may face great difficulties in the debates, especially Palin. On the other hand, their attack ads against Obama will stick in some voters' minds, no matter how untrue the accusations. And while Obama has stretched McCain's record on a couple of points, he doesn't make such shocking declarations as, "McCain support comprehensive sex education for 5 year-olds."

                                                It is a struggle between the emotional and cerebral. It remains to be seen how public opinion shifts. McCain's poll numbers have improved as a reaction to his VP pick and convention, but these numbers will certainly change, one way or the other, as the last weeks of the campaign tick by. And as it stands, Obama has some pretty good advantages with the electoral map which, unlike national polls, is the method by which the election will be decided. McCain has to fight for states which, in the recent past, have gone easily to the GOP.

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                                                  Reply#22 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:41 AM EDT
                                                  {"commentId":2912762,"authorDomain":"etasch1"}

                                                  Both sides here have made some valid points, the best of which is that it is too early to bet any money. This election can go either way, and there are still things out there that could sway it one way or another. If nothing else we can all agree this will be a neck and neck horse race. Of course I am bias toward Obama, and I at least want to hope women, college students, minorities and all those on the fence will see the historic support the Dems have offered them, not the flash in the "pandering" type support being promised by the Repubs.

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                                                    #22.1 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:44 AM EDT
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                                                    {"commentId":2914134,"authorDomain":"teamUSA"}

                                                    Another reason McCain will likely win: Obama has NO major accomplishments/achievements to run on. He has yet to tell us what significant achievements he has to support his legitimacy.

                                                    Can anyone name 3 MAJOR things he has done in the Senate to qualify him for President????

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                                                      Reply#23 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:02 PM EDT
                                                      {"commentId":2915275,"authorDomain":"finalcut"}

                                                      I've not heard anyone say three major positive Things McCain has done in the Senate that qualify him for the President either.

                                                      I'm not saying they don't exist I'm just saying I haven't heard them mentioned.

                                                      I have heard about 1; the campaign finance reform bill.

                                                      I have heard about 1 negative: The Keating Five Scandal

                                                      I have heard about him being a POW and a war hero but, sorry, for me that is not enough to get my vote. So, what has McCain done; please tell me three major things he has done in the Senate (preferably positive things). He's had 26 years so this should be pretty easy.

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                                                        #23.1 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:48 PM EDT
                                                        {"commentId":2927252,"authorDomain":"dbe928"}

                                                        There are tons of things in McCain's record of accomplishments which you can find pretty easily. There are many fewer accomplishments in the Obama column, but a lot of ideas and positions. You can also find these easily on their campaign websites and on many news sites. But, if you have to pick one of the two, it will come down to trust and brand. Which brand do you trust, the Dems with Obama or the GOP with McCain? The campaigns are working feverishly on their brand campaigns onn both sides, with the added sub-brands of Palin and Biden, and we'll see in November.

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                                                          #23.2 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 2:14 PM EDT
                                                          {"commentId":2928373,"authorDomain":"etasch1"}

                                                          DBE - On this comment I mostly agree with you. I would add that this branding must and will include each candidate's and each party's unique ideologies. Ultimately we will vote pro war/anti war, pro big business/pro working class, protecting women's rights or restricting them, etc, etc. I know these are not mutually exclusive, but the parties do lean one way or the other. And we must separate out what is election pandering and what is truth.

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                                                            #23.3 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 4:05 PM EDT
                                                            {"commentId":2928755,"authorDomain":"crooked6p"}

                                                            Politically speaking, by definition conservatism is a reaction, a status quo, a protectivism and not typically a change.

                                                            When considering the 20th century since Dwight Eisenhower it is pretty clear that Lyndon Johnson and Bill Clinton leave the only democratic imprint on the period. Kennedy, by many reputable historians did not live long enough nor serve long enough to put a firm fingerprint on his legacy. Carter was bombarded with issues that constantly knocked him off pace to ensure his own preferred fingerprint. So, between Johnson and Clinton is a wide sea change of policy and ideas. Johnson, an FDR democrat, vs. Clinton a Reagan democrat.

                                                            When you speak of the preferred "brand" in the context of "CHANGE", democrats really have a problem defining that brand. Is it FDR or is it Reagan democrats. Clearly both represent, like the party has always represented, change. The problem then is more complex than defining themselves. It is a problem of Republicans also trying to redefine themselves.

                                                            It was, in fact, Reagan who said "we ARE the change" and the conversation ended. Republicans were given a new life with the potential for a new direction. That was squandered by Bush and Bush. Punchlines never translated into policy shifts.

                                                            McCain, at the last minute, is attempting (rather successfully) in rebranding the republican party as the Reagan party of change. His appeal, like Reagan, is to the more economically and militarily conservative democrat.

                                                            In my own mind, the question of the Brand is being lost on a generation of voters (many first time voters) who do not know the Brand and have no basis to assess whether the Brand itself will be sufficient to make the change. For a moment in time, both brands seek the same message and first time voters will be left to determine solely on the basis of personality.

                                                            If this is solely a question of branding, I suggest a small voter turnout and a McCain victory. If it is possible to keep this a question of personality, I foresee a large turnout and a troubled but possible Obama victory. At that point, it falls to Obama to define for the next 20 years a brand that will retain the electorate.

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                                                            #23.4 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 4:50 PM EDT
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                                                            Since I'm a bit late to this conversation, let me drop a note at the bottom.

                                                            The polling company Rasmussen has a play money market trend on virtually all of the outcome issues -- but none of the issue or value questions (Rasmussenmarkets.com). What is interesting in watching the "market" change everyday is that in the polling scenario all you get is the voters direct answer to a question. When his money is on the line ... survey says, Republican President and Democratic Hill. By a much larger majority than McCain vs. Obama. When you look at the winner state by state, survey says ... Electoral College massively favors and leans toward McCain.

                                                            What I believe this is actually showing is not a more accurate reading of the voters. I believe it is a very acccurate window into how voters view local vs national priorities. They are certain about who they like in Congress. They are certain about who they like in the White House. But the disagreement between the two lies in how much you like your local issues more than the national issues.

                                                            One final observation .... the market also demonstrates a long steep decline away from high voter turnout to low voter turnout. Low turnout usually means fewer young and minority voters. That would suggest .... McCain.

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                                                            Reply#24 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 4:03 PM EDT
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                                                            Very interesting. There may be another factor, as the Free Press of Detroit noted: Vote fraud

                                                            Several municipal clerks across the state are reporting fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications, most of them from a nationwide community activist group working to help low- and moderate-income families.

                                                            The majority of the problem applications are coming from the group ACORN, Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, which has a large voter registration program among its many social service programs. ACORN's Michigan branch, based in Detroit, has enrolled 200,000 voters statewide in recent months, mostly with the use of paid, part-time employees.

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                                                              Reply#25 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:01 PM EDT
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