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Not the change we voted for

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I am spitting angry at the President, and the Democratic Congress. I was torn this past election on who I should vote for, and in the effort of full disclosure I did not vote for then Mr. Obama, however I was not persistent in trying to persuade others from voting for him. Mainly because he promised change, and not more of the same. He promised....

Well sad to say two months into the 48 month's he'll have to reign and I am spitting angry, as are many who I know that did vote for him. Perhaps President Obama misunderstood the people when we said we wanted change, or perhaps he has a vastly different view of change then what we do.

Here's the problem;

When he spoke of change, he spoke of changing the way Washington did business, he promised transparency, bipartisanship, balanced budgets, and more help for the middle class.

Here's what we got;

The Obama administration has failed to act transparently in any major piece of legislation, providing adequate time for media, people, and representatives to review bills of any significance. The Obama administration has failed to change the way Washington did business, choosing to give Golden Parachutes to the people he feels donated enough to his campaign and allowing those who didn't pay tribute to fail. While complaining as a Senator about the dangerous expansion of the executive branch, he has now sought to expand the executive branch, and legislative branches powers beyond what any interpretation of the constitution would allow. He now seeks to control the wages of workers, the way businesses do business, and not in the sense of regulation, but in the sense of firing people who his administration feels doesn't make the cut. The Obama administration has forced bills through Congress without any consideration to dissenting opinions chalking dissenters up to the ilk of the previous administration despite their vastly different views. The Obama administration has put forth a budget which seeks to rise our national debt up to 25% of our nation's GDP or a worse debt to GDP ratio then some countries we may consider near third world. The Obama administration has promised to help the middle class but has taken every opportunity it could to make getting a job more difficult increasing taxes on products known to be used by the lower class, and has offered little relief in any major aspect of the economy including the areas which are known to be most hurt, housing.

This is not the Change we voted for, this was not the intention of anyone's vote except those who may be categorized as the extreme left. Nobody said we did not want capitalism, nobody said we wanted a 25% GDP to debt ratio, nobody said we wanted you to spend more, nobody said we wanted you to control executive pay, nobody said we wanted you to own massive amounts of stock in 'private' companies, nobody said we wanted you to force bills through Congress, nobody said we wanted you to expand the executive branches powers, nobody said we wanted this...

In a mere two months Obama and the Democratic party has managed to lie, cheat, steal, violate the constitution, and embarrass the U.S. and his party.

One thing the president has not done, is provided any evidence of significant change....

That's my take... what's yours?

--The Whiz

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{"commentId":6271462,"authorDomain":"jsunshine122"}

You should really think about including facts in your next article. Although if this is an April Fools joke, well done.

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  • 18 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 8:32 PM EDT
{"commentId":6271581,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}

haha, no this is not a joke. As for including facts I was planning on supplying them as demanded dealing on the Vine many people know what I'm alluding to others do not.

Some of the statements put the burden of proof on the dissenting opinion as well.

--The Whiz

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  • 11 votes
#1.1 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 8:40 PM EDT
{"commentId":6271830,"authorDomain":"thelopes"}

It would be very nice if you sourced some claims.

I mean, the main one that struck me as needing it:

nobody said we wanted you to own massive amounts of stock in 'private' companies,

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122156561931242905.html

The deal to buy stock in AIG? September 2008?

the Democratic party has managed to [...] embarrass [...] his party.

Huh? :P

But, seriously

violate the constitution,

?

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  • 15 votes
#1.2 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 8:57 PM EDT
{"commentId":6272018,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}

I was more referring to the move of the treasury to convert Citi Bank preferred shares to common shares giving it voting shares to take complete control over the bank.

http://baconsrebellion.com/2009/03/31/why-the-bailout-is-self-defeating/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/26/citi-reach-deal-government-stake/

The deal to buy stock in AIG? September 2008?

Exactly. We did not want this, which is why we wanted change and as proven above we got more of the same.

Huh? :P

In a mere two months Obama and the Democratic party has managed to lie, cheat, steal, violate the constitution, and embarrass the U.S. and his party.

Keep in mind I included Barack and the Democratic Party.

Lie, is the easiest claim to prove as he has failed as stated above to provide transparency, the bailout being a great example.

Cheat, is more or less in reference to the Democratic Party attempting to add legislative language which would only require a simple majority to pass the President's budget. It also could be applied to the exception made for Barack Obama's Aunt to stay in America.

Steal, the millions of campaign donations made by institutions receiving bailouts, I consider this stealing. Politicans bailout institutions, those institutions then pay for the politicians political campaigns. Sounds like stealing to me...

Violate the Constitution, this one is also easy, the retro tax passed by the Congressional House, was unconstitutional. Much of the government control over institutions Obama is seeking is arguably unconstitutional as they were not powers granted to the Federal government.

Embarrass the U.S. is also easy, today Obama managed to do it again, giving the Queen an Ipod... and the Prime Minister a DVD Box Set which is meant to work in the U.S. as you may say...

seriously

--The Whiz

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  • 14 votes
#1.3 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 9:12 PM EDT
{"commentId":6272378,"authorDomain":"thelopes"}

I don't remember much outcry against the government ending up owning stocks in the company back when it happened. Maybe I missed that, but I would've never thought that was included in the 'Change.'

Keep in mind I included Barack and the Democratic Party.

It was mostly a tiny jab at the grammar of the sentence. You included them both as the subjects of the sentence but not as the doers of the accused deeds.

I have no problem with people complaining about campaign promises.

It also could be applied to the exception made for Barack Obama's Aunt to stay in America.

I'd like to see how the Democratic Party or President Obama have anything to do with her, her appeal, or her situation in America.

Steal, the millions of campaign donations made by institutions receiving bailouts, I consider this stealing. Politicans bailout institutions, those institutions then pay for the politicians political campaigns. Sounds like stealing to me...

It has been said before - the organizations themselves are not donating.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

Individuals that affiliate themselves with the companies are donating.

But the 'Constitutional Violation' is much under debate at the moment, as I've read, and I'm very surprised if the U.S.'s standing in the world can go much lower by some social faux pas.

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  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 9:40 PM EDT
{"commentId":6272547,"authorDomain":"kaicrrll"}
Steal, the millions of campaign donations made by institutions receiving bailouts, I consider this stealing. Politicans bailout institutions, those institutions then pay for the politicians political campaigns. Sounds like stealing to me...

This has been going on FOREVER. I don't agree with it. But to somehow make it some abhorrent issue all of a sudden is rather disingenuous when it has been a problem with every single candidate you've voted for.

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  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 9:54 PM EDT
{"commentId":6286734,"authorDomain":"tyler"}

politicalwhiz, change this to News Type: Opinion. It's getting reported as miscategorized.

Chosen news types and tags should be accurate and informative - not used to provoke or make a statement.

Thanks.

...

What is the word cloud of, the Grant Park speech?

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  • 4 votes
#1.6 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 5:43 PM EDT
{"commentId":6291885,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}

My apologies Tyler, rest assured it was a clerical error and not done with the intent to provoke or make a statement. It's the first time out of all of the 30 articles I've published it's happened and I'll try my best to ensure it's the only time.

--The Whiz

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  • 4 votes
#1.7 - Fri Apr 3, 2009 12:20 AM EDT
{"commentId":6302810,"authorDomain":"tyler"}
My apologies Tyler, rest assured it was a clerical error and not done with the intent to provoke or make a statement. It's the first time out of all of the 30 articles I've published it's happened and I'll try my best to ensure it's the only time.

No problem.

Where's the word cloud from?

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  • 2 votes
#1.8 - Fri Apr 3, 2009 3:28 PM EDT
{"commentId":6321440,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

What's a word cloud?

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  • 1 vote
#1.9 - Sat Apr 4, 2009 10:24 PM EDT
{"commentId":6321613,"authorDomain":"thelopes"}

Underneath the "Trust Me" picture is a bundle of words facing different directions, with different levels of black and gray. It resembles a cloud, and is made of words.

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    #1.10 - Sat Apr 4, 2009 10:43 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":6271987,"authorDomain":"kaicrrll"}
    When he spoke of change, he spoke of changing the way Washington did business, he promised transparency, bipartisanship, balanced budgets, and more help for the middle class.

    This article isn't based in reality.

    First, bipartisanship takes two people, or in this case two parties working together. If the Republicans don't want to work with him. What is he suppose to do?

    Second, he is definitely more transparent than Bush ever was. There is so far, no secret meetings with with big oil in order to craft a energy policy. Name any bill that was posted online for all to see by the Bush administration.

    Third, no time for media to review his policies?!?! ARE YOU AWAKE? He's been EVERYWHERE. He's been interviewed by OReilly, Maddow, Leno, and on and on and on. By every news channel out there.This isn't debatable it's FACT. I've seen the stimulus bill before it was signed and the current budget. What other major bill have you missed? Another point what or who defines "enough time" ? Two months, three months, four when is enough enough. Or is that the point? There is never enough time.

    Fourth, IT'S BEEN THREE MONTHS !!! You want him to change the world in 3 months, which doesn't make any sense if you look at the previous paragraph where you wanted "more time to review". Which is it? More time to review? Or everything fixed in 3 months? Or is that the point? It doesn't matter what he did or was going to do in the NEXT THREE YEARS. You want to be appeased, but you are unappeasable.

    I'm not even going to ask you how you balance a budget in a recession. That's the whole point of a recession. It's not some planned budget item. "Oh there it is.... someone please itemize this recession in the budget."

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    • 15 votes
    Reply#2 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 9:09 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6272104,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}
    First, bipartisanship takes two people, or in this case two parties working together. If the Republicans don't want to work with him. What is he suppose to do?

    Compromise. He was aware of the bipartisanship when he made the promise.

    Second, he is definitely more transparent than Bush ever was. There is so far, no secret meetings with with big oil in order to craft a energy policy. Name any bill that was posted online for all to see by the Bush administration.

    I would agree Bush was not transperant enough and he has been more Transparent but Barack Obama has not held up to his own promise. Bringing up Bush is a non-sequitar by the way, he's not the President anymore, Obama is.

    I've seen the stimulus bill before it was signed and the current budget. What other major bill have you missed?

    The stimulus package was passed by the House 24hrs after the final draft. As for the current budget, it has been posted but we'll see if the final draft is posted before it's voted on.

    Third, no time for media to review his policies?!?! ARE YOU AWAKE? He's been EVERYWHERE. He's been interviewed by OReilly, Maddow, Leno, and on and on and on. By every news channel out there.This isn't debatable it's FACT.

    Obama was very accessible prior to becoming President since then he has not been on Oreilly, or in any serious programming since. More so this is in regards to the availability of Bills online to be reviewed by the Media.

    Fourth, IT'S BEEN THREE MONTHS !!! You want him to change the world in 3 months, which doesn't make any sense if you look at the previous paragraph where you wanted "more time to review". Which is it? More time to review? Or everything fixed in 3 months? Or is that the point? It doesn't matter what he did or was going to do in the NEXT THREE YEARS. You want to be appeased, but you are unappeasable.

    I want the President to be everything he said he would be. President Obama was aware of the circumstances, he should be maintaining all the Promises he can. I don't expect to have golden paved roads and doves singing. But I do expect him to do a lot better job than that which he has done thus far.

    --The Whiz

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    • 10 votes
    #2.1 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 9:18 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6272274,"authorDomain":"sherrywantsanisland-1"}
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    {"commentId":6272405,"authorDomain":"kaicrrll"}
    Compromise. He was aware of the bipartisanship when he made the promise.

    Again, you can't comprise if the other person doesn't want to.

    The stimulus package was passed by the House 24hrs after the final draft. As for the current budget, it has been posted but we'll see if the final draft is posted before it's voted on.

    The original stimulus bill was posted. It was the bill that was altered by Congress that wasn't. Big difference.

    Obama was very accessible prior to becoming President since then he has not been on Oreilly, or in any serious programming since. More so this is in regards to the availability of Bills online to be reviewed by the Media.

    I'm sorry that's just not true. He's had what like two state of the unions and like two additional non state union unions (i don't know what you call them) which he took questions from the media for quite a while within three months mind you.

    I would agree Bush was not transperant enough and he has been more Transparent but Barack Obama has not held up to his own promise. Bringing up Bush is a non-sequitar by the way, he's not the President anymore, Obama is.

    If you are trying to measure something, you have to measure it against something else, with something. You can't just scream "transparency" and think, or expect others to think it applies to anything and everything. It's not an absolute. He didn't say is that way therefore I don't expect to see it every single time on all things.There's no time for that. Under your definition he should tell you when he feels gassy, or constipated.

    I want the President to be everything he said he would be.

    Unless he's Jesus, and can turn water into wine I think that thinking a mortal can be everything they say they would be isn't realistic. I wanted to be and said I would be a virgin until i got married, but guess what? It's didn't really happen that way.

    You havent' addressed my main issue with your stance. You say you don't want gold paved roads. Good Obama didn't promise that. However, you are expecting him to keep promises wtihin a finite amount of time (3 months) yet want limitless time to judge him and review his actions. I think that's a bit ironic.

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    • 13 votes
    #2.3 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 9:42 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6273073,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}
    Again, you can't comprise if the other person doesn't want to.

    Republicans wanted to house Democrats refused to. Lest you forget the whole "we won" speech given by the President inside the white house.

    The original stimulus bill was posted. It was the bill that was altered by Congress that wasn't. Big difference.

    Yea your right, just a few hundred billion difference between house and senate versions.

    I'm sorry that's just not true. He's had what like two state of the unions and like two additional non state union unions (i don't know what you call them) which he took questions from the media for quite a while within three months mind you.

    I wouldn't say it's my strongest argument in regards to Obama's actual availability as you've pointed out he's done several national addresses I believe is the term. My point was more directed to the quickness in passing measures, and the lack of vetting by the Media of bills. Perhaps more a crique towards the media then the President, but it all ties into the bills not being posted online with the Promised amount of time which I believe was One Week.

    If you are trying to measure something, you have to measure it against something else, with something. You can't just scream "transparency" and think, or expect others to think it applies to anything and everything. It's not an absolute. He didn't say is that way therefore I don't expect to see it every single time on all things.There's no time for that. Under your definition he should tell you when he feels gassy, or constipated.

    I am comparing it to Obama's Promise

    http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/30/obama-breaks-transparency-promise-again/

    http://techdirt.com/articles/20090129/1919493573.shtml

    The links are for the Obama quote not the actual articles though I believe they support my assertion.

    Unless he's Jesus, and can turn water into wine I think that thinking a mortal can be everything they say they would be isn't realistic. I wanted to be and said I would be a virgin until i got married, but guess what? It's didn't really happen that way.

    What kind of Moral low ground are you taking? It's ok to lie? Because it's ok to over extend yourself with promises?

    You can't use your lack of moral integrity to justify his lack of moral integrity. Political accountability isn't meant to be selective to things you interpret as reasonable. If it's not a reasonable task, don't promise to accomplish it.

    You havent' addressed my main issue with your stance. You say you don't want gold paved roads. Good Obama didn't promise that. However, you are expecting him to keep promises wtihin a finite amount of time (3 months) yet want limitless time to judge him and review his actions. I think that's a bit ironic.

    I haven't judged him on ALL of his promises have I? I haven't raised cane about the programs he promised and is failing to implement? No because that would be ridiculous. I understand he has been in office for three months, I am merely pointing out the promises he's managed to break in those three months.

    --The Whiz

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    • 4 votes
    #2.4 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 10:35 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6273575,"authorDomain":"kaicrrll"}
    Republicans wanted to house Democrats refused to.

    LMAO LOL LOL WOW...LOL LOL . There's so many links of the Republicans saying no I don't even feel like posting links. Theres thousands of articles of Republicans saying no almost before he got into office. Please spare me.

    What kind of Moral low ground are you taking? It's ok to lie? Because it's ok to over extend yourself with promises?

    You can't use your lack of moral integrity to justify his lack of moral integrity. Political accountability isn't meant to be selective to things you interpret as reasonable. If it's not a reasonable task, don't promise to accomplish it.

    Moral low ground? It's called reality. Is it ok to lie? About as OK as it is for you to over react. So I guess it's a wash.

    I am merely pointing out the promises he's managed to break in those three months.

    What you think I'm a republican? That doesn't fly at all. So far you've called him every thing under the sun. You are doing far more than "merely pointing out promises he's managed to break".

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    • 9 votes
    #2.5 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 11:14 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6273733,"authorDomain":"mat73296816"}

    I agree with you KC77. Maybe, we should put Politalwhiz in there because he can do it all like snaping his fingers and it will happen just like that.

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    • 3 votes
    #2.6 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 11:26 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6274361,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}
    LMAO LOL LOL WOW...LOL LOL . There's so many links of the Republicans saying no I don't even feel like posting links. Theres thousands of articles of Republicans saying no almost before he got into office. Please spare me.

    Please, post one just one, not listed on huffington post or progressive for america or other websites of the same ilk.

    Moral low ground? It's called reality. Is it ok to lie? About as OK as it is for you to over react. So I guess it's a wash.

    Over reaction? Political accountability. Beyond that saying "It happens" isn't an argument for why it's ok for it to happen.

    What you think I'm a republican? That doesn't fly at all. So far you've called him every thing under the sun. You are doing far more than "merely pointing out promises he's managed to break".

    I haven't called him anything, other than president. The descriptions listed above were of his actions. I don't think your a Republican. In what ways have I done more then pointing out broken promises? I haven't personally attacked him, his family, called him any names... also please keep in mind that this disgust and my anger is not at one single man, the Congress has earned their strikes as well.

    I agree with you KC77. Maybe, we should put Politalwhiz in there because he can do it all like snaping his fingers and it will happen just like that.

    No. It wouldn't happen quickly. But what would happen, is I would not make promises that I could not keep.

    --The Whiz

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    • 2 votes
    #2.7 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 12:19 AM EDT
    {"commentId":6285879,"authorDomain":"mat73296816"}

    At least, it a promise which he is trying to accomplish. NOT WMD WAR LIKE BUSH. THAT IS A PURE LIE.

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    • 1 vote
    #2.8 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 4:53 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6286076,"authorDomain":"zomzom"}
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    • 3 votes
    #2.9 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 5:05 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6287696,"authorDomain":"kaicrrll"}

    Thanks Zom. I really didn't feel like creating links. The articles aren't exactly hard to find.

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    • 2 votes
    #2.10 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 6:46 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":6272037,"authorDomain":"mandelman"}

    Well, I was a Mitt Romney fan... until Huckabee sent the religious right into a party splitting frenzy and Mitt the dust he bit. Then I was a McCain fan... until... well... why overstate the obvious. So, I did it. I voted for Obama. It's my fault.

    I'm not sure I can go along with everything you're saying here, but I can admit to some significant disappointment on my part. Obama promised to "fix the housing crisis," and instead he's just taken the Bush plan and added a small carrot and the possibility of a stick. He's backing the Employee Free Choice Act, which is a flagrant payback to the unions. He hasn't shown that he has the gumption to take over banks, or commit to a meaningful solution to the problems.

    I also agree that he has not done enough to quell the fires between dem and rep. There wasn't enough time to debate provisions of stimulus or spending, and he did allow the 9,000 earmarks to pass like sh#t through a goose. Now, as things continue to melt away down on Main St. he's touring Europe shaking hands and giving speeches. I want to give him a chance and the benefit of the doubt, but not forever, and not for long.

    Yes, he's been disappointing on several occasions. I wish he'd tell us the truth, do the right thing and live with the 20% approval rating that might result. That's what I thought he would do... but then again, I'm a dreamer...

    If he doesn't take more meaningful steps to fix the economy soon, the only change people are going to believe in is the change in their pockets.

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    • 6 votes
    Reply#3 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 9:13 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6272188,"authorDomain":"kaicrrll"}
    Yes, he's been disappointing on several occasions. I wish he'd tell us the truth, do the right thing and live with the 20% approval rating that might result. That's what I thought he would do... but then again, I'm a dreamer...

    LOL you've nailed it right there. Let's think about it for a second. Those earmarks are put in by Congress both democrats and republicans. How long do you think it would take for a bill to pass the Senate with none? How many weeks do you think would go by as he sent bill after bill back to congress to stip out everything he didn't like?

    As for fixing the housing crisis, how do you do that and not spend money? Overall I think he's done quite a lot with what was allowable. The funds that are available allow for refinancing, not even getting rid of the loans, the money just allows them to refinance. Yet, what happend? FIRESTORM!!!

    "OH MY GOD!!! HOW CAN YOU LET MY NEIGHBOR OFF THE HOOK?!?! HE SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND GET THROWN OUT ON THE STREET!!! I WANT EVERY LOSER OUT THERE TO PAY AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY!!! EXCEPT FOR AIG, CITIBANK, AND CEO'S.. WE HAVE TO HONOR CONTRACTS BECAUSE OF BIG GOVERNMENT.... UNLESS IT'S THE UAW.... LET THEM SUFFER!!"

    Now how do you fix a housing crisis with that ringing in your ear?

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    • 8 votes
    #3.1 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 9:25 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6273515,"authorDomain":"mandelman"}

    You couldn't be more right. I just don't want to see him conform to Washington. I don't want to see him do what's doable. I would rather see him at odds with everyone than watch D.C. unravel him until he's Clinton with a jump shot.

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    • 5 votes
    #3.2 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 11:09 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6273682,"authorDomain":"kaicrrll"}

    I agree. Although if he can do healthcare and get some of the stuff done. It will be far more than most. I will be satisfied.

    I would have liked him on his first day to fire every single CEO from AIG, Citi, BofA, Merril, etc and then put them all in jail and then go after the each individual broker / lobbyist which pushed for such dishonesty and yes stealing. But where would that get us with the economy? How would that help Joe Schmoe keep his house?

    My parents have always said. "Sometimes it doesn't matter what's right. Sometimes you have to deal with the way things are." It's takes someone almost godly to be on the right side of that statement all of the time.

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    • 2 votes
    #3.3 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 11:22 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6276221,"authorDomain":"Profchaos"}

    from Romney to Obama? that's quite a jump, even with the McCain step in the middle....

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    • 2 votes
    #3.4 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 7:08 AM EDT
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    {"commentId":6272127,"authorDomain":"sherrywantsanisland-1"}
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    {"commentId":6272196,"authorDomain":"zomzom"}
    Not the change we voted for
    I did not vote for then Mr. Obama

    Well, no. It isn't what you voted for.

    As far as I'm concerned, the guy gets at least a few months in office, and time to actually do something, before I'll make my decisions. I voted for a human being--not a fairy god-mother with a magic wand.

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    • 16 votes
    Reply#5 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 9:26 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6274641,"authorDomain":"fadeplayer"}

    Exactly right Zom Zom,

    D.C. has been run by corporate interests for quite some time now. Corporate influence was allowed to entrench itself during the second Bush administration, and it's going to take some time to see fundamental change. I don't agree with everything that Barack Obama has signed, but he represents one of three branches in our federal government. He is not a dictator, and he doesn't call all the shots. Due to the scope of the legislation that has already been passed, and the magnitude of change that is needed, I'm going to reserve judgement for until sometime next year.

    I do think that he should keep his promise to wait 5 days before signing bills; but, that is primarily because I don't trust congress.

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    • 6 votes
    #5.1 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 12:48 AM EDT
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    {"commentId":6272282,"authorDomain":"RETLAW"}

    I'm sorry whizzer, I think you are out behind the barn taking a whiz. You said above that you would add info as needed. Well, why don't you try starting here:

    The Obama administration has promised to help the middle class but has taken every opportunity it could to make getting a job more difficult increasing taxes on products known to be used by the lower class, and has offered little relief in any major aspect of the economy including the areas which are known to be most hurt, housing.

    Maybe by setting forth exactly how President Obama (and not the previous congress) is making acquiring a job more difficult. Then, after you have adequately shown that, you could show how he has not helped those hurt by housing (oh, and lets keep them separated from the Paulsen attempt to remove 'toxic assetts' from the big banks).

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    • 10 votes
    Reply#6 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 9:32 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6273174,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}
    Maybe by setting forth exactly how President Obama (and not the previous congress) is making acquiring a job more difficult.

    Well this is easy, links can be provided if necessary but you being the newsviner you are Retlaw I'm sure you've heard of the threats made by the treasury secretary and Obama administration about Cap and Trade, as well as the threats made to nationalize companies and control their pay, or the plans to rise capital gains tax. All these measures frighten businesses, and reduce the likelihood of hiring not to mention in many cases are plans sure to hurt the middle class and lower class by increasing utility bills.

    Then, after you have adequately shown that, you could show how he has not helped those hurt by housing

    He has refused to adequately address the issue, what piece of legislation has passed under his administration to help housing?

    --The Whiz

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    • 3 votes
    #6.1 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 10:43 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6279849,"authorDomain":"RETLAW"}

    Threats made to nationaliza companies?? Other than those who are receiving money from the US treasury (where I, for one, want some guarantees that it won't be callously blown and we-the taxpayers-don't get anything to show for our money) which companies has the administration been threatening???

    Regarding 'cap and trade'--this has been a rather sticky issue for years, why are you blaming Pres. Obama now for it??

    Housing?? Didn't the 700 billion under Bush go to address housing?? Why should Pres. Obama now get involved???

    I agree with Zom Zom-too little time (not yet 100 days) has passed to form any judgments about the efficacy of this administration. Unless, of course, he wasn't your choice and you are trying to build dissention based on lack of hard evidence !!

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    • 2 votes
    #6.2 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 11:44 AM EDT
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    {"commentId":6272610,"authorDomain":"jolumidao"}

    I am not politically inclined to make comments at this time. There are many commentators who just say a words without meaning and substance. Let us wait for the time to come and see what happened.

    Zom Zom was right there is no fairy god mother with a magic wand.

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    • 5 votes
    Reply#7 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 9:59 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6272651,"authorDomain":"ballounpost"}

    Dude! You're right on! I preparing an article that you are going to love. I will be putting it on my blog soon. In the meantime, read my article about more of the same regarding Executive Orders... Nice job. I love seeing original stuff instead of just articles being seeded.

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    • 2 votes
    Reply#8 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 10:03 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6272836,"authorDomain":"jimdent"}

    Methinks you need to change your name.... At least whiz part.

    ;-)

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    • 5 votes
    Reply#9 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 10:18 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6272868,"authorDomain":"geejay"}

    Change the I in whiz to a u, maybe?

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    • 1 vote
    #9.1 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 10:21 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6273221,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}
    Methinks you need to change your name.... At least whiz part.

    Well Jar Jar Binks, include a reason why, beyond the non-sequitar :).

    --The Whiz

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    • 3 votes
    #9.2 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 10:47 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6281276,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}
    At least whiz part.

    Was that the noun or verb form you're looking to change? *smirk*

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    • 2 votes
    #9.3 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 12:57 PM EDT
    {"commentId":6281557,"authorDomain":"zomzom"}
    Well Jar Jar Binks, include a reason why, beyond the non-sequitar'

    How about: Because your version of political commentary appears to be informed primarily by a knee-jerk reaction to an elected official that wasn't the one you voted for.

    This is evidenced by your proposal that, within his first three months in office, Obama has failed on his promises because, in that period of time, he has not been able to completely overhaul the political system.

    It appears that you believe that such change as you condemn the President for failing to produce, could possibly be accomplished in so short a period of time. To presume that three months into an administration is a long enough period to offer such a commentary as you have, leads readers to believe that your understanding of our political system is cursory, at best.

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    • 3 votes
    #9.4 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 1:11 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":6273016,"authorDomain":"jolumidao"}

    Change? What change? , the whole worlds are falling apart. To change America you have to change the whole world. It is a free market the problems are global.

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      Reply#10 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 10:30 PM EDT
      {"commentId":6273208,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}
      Change? What change? , the whole worlds are falling apart. To change America you have to change the whole world. It is a free market the problems are global.

      Yes global government is needed, clearly the UN is an efficient tool for governing and is not known for it's corruption...

      APRIL FOOLS

      Global capitalism is not to blame for the financial debacle. Actions taken on the part of government have in many cases caused this recession to linger on. Not to mention many believe the Community Reinvestment Act was largely to blame for the housing mess, and the government guaranteed bank of Freddie/Fannie Mae tends to land itself in the epicenter of the whole calamity, so the last thing we need is more government.

      --The Whiz

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      • 3 votes
      #10.1 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 10:46 PM EDT
      {"commentId":6273373,"authorDomain":"kaicrrll"}

      Yes global government is needed, clearly the UN is an efficient tool for governing and is not known for it's corruption...

      APRIL FOOLS

      Well they at least they have national healthcare and their banks are far more solvent than ours. That's not April Fools, that's a fact.

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      • 3 votes
      #10.2 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 10:57 PM EDT
      {"commentId":6274389,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}
      Well they at least they have national healthcare and their banks are far more solvent than ours. That's not April Fools, that's a fact.

      In what way are their banks more solvent? Please tell me.

      Secondly that's not global government, indeed most of Europe has taken the direction against socialism, leave it to America to be a century behind.

      --The Whiz

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      • 2 votes
      #10.3 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 12:22 AM EDT
      {"commentId":6279939,"authorDomain":"RETLAW"}

      PW--assuming that you are correct (10.1), did you support those of the past eight years that got us into this mess??

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      • 2 votes
      #10.4 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 11:50 AM EDT
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      {"commentId":6274002,"authorDomain":"ballounpost"}

      Wow, I really am amazed at the comments you are receiving.  Like, the UN is an efficient tool!  What? 

      I am writing a post write now and doing a trackback to your article.  

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      • 1 vote
      Reply#11 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 11:49 PM EDT
      {"commentId":6274075,"authorDomain":"jsautee"}

      I think all these paranoid rantings and bogus conspiracy theories are a waste of time and potentially distracting to the progress of this country as it attempts to get out of the ditch left by the failed Bush/Cheney/Rove administration. Obama won fair and square and we need to move on. You don't have to like it (I feel your pain, the eight years of Bush were miserable) but to put all these half truths and innuendo out there is dishonest and nonproductive. I'm satisfied that he is following his campaign promises better than most and feel confident that in a year's time we will begin to see some daylight. If ya'll expected him to be the Second Coming or above politics than you are more naive than I would have hoped. He is a politician and he believes in making compromises. He never claimed to be some pure breed liberal or progressive. Seems like as long as he's got both the far right "DittoHeads" mad and the far left "MoveOnians" disappointed than he's probably doing about right. Relax, give the guy a fair chance and accept the results of the election. This country will survive and be great again. Peace and prosperity.........

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      • 1 vote
      Reply#12 - Wed Apr 1, 2009 11:56 PM EDT
      {"commentId":6274443,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}
      I think all these paranoid rantings and bogus conspiracy theories are a waste of time and potentially distracting to the progress of this country as it attempts to get out of the ditch left by the failed Bush/Cheney/Rove administration.

      Paranoid rantings? Distracting us from the progress? My point is there is no Progress, that Obama is continuing with the ways of Bush/Chney/Rove.

      Relax, give the guy a fair chance and accept the results of the election. This country will survive and be great again. Peace and prosperity.........

      I would relax but the debt that took Bush 8 years to acquire has now doubled in a matter of three months? I hear... wait... wait... wait soo much do you not realize that we can't wait... Obama is much more nimble then Bush, he's moving at a much faster past. We can't afford to wait, quite literally.

      Beyond that, I'm not in denial of the election. In fact the article is more in tune with the disappointment not of the election but the failure of the elected to do what they said they would do.

      --The Whiz

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      • 3 votes
      #12.1 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 12:26 AM EDT
      {"commentId":6274567,"authorDomain":"timgard-1"}

      Yes, and $375 billion was done by Dubya before Obama was even elected. So add that to the already $4 billion he did before that.

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      • 2 votes
      #12.2 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 12:39 AM EDT
      {"commentId":6274597,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}
      Yes, and $375 billion was done by Dubya before Obama was even elected. So add that to the already $4 billion he did before that.

      Yes it was and we voted Dubya's party out... for what... more Dubya?

      You can't justify more of the same, by saying, they did it first.

      --The Whiz

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      • 3 votes
      #12.3 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 12:43 AM EDT
      {"commentId":6286723,"authorDomain":"mat73296816"}

      Yes, it took Bush and Cheney 8 years to do the damages and it will take a lot of monies and efforts to correct the problems or the BIG MESS.

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        #12.4 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 5:42 PM EDT
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        {"commentId":6274264,"authorDomain":"olmedamae"}

        what really is going to mess with your head is that when the smoke clears and things are coming around and chicken little pops his head out you'll realize(though probably not just from what i've read) that the color of a persons skin does not dictate the outcome of events!!!! you'll probably say your not prejudiced but believe me i won't believe you!!!!! all this conjecture about direction of the nation and lies and broken promises is just VEILED PREJUDICE!!!!!!!!!! if it was JOHN MCCAIN everybody(talking about people like you!!!!) would be jumping up and down extolling his VIRTUES AND RIGHTHEADEDNESS!!!! so as yu can see i'm not buying any crap that your selling today!!!!! wait a year and write this crap and if your right i'll agree!!!! but if your not(hopefully!!!) i'm sure i can expect to see the same drivel from someone reflecting the views of their parents.... prejudice is not a human trait(like skin and hair and eye color) it must be LEARNED!!!!... so WHIZ go sell your crap to some fool and fill his/her head with dreams and visions of a utopian world with no bad elements and a coin flip always comes up heads

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          Reply#13 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 12:11 AM EDT
          {"commentId":6274457,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}

          Cynthia, I feel very sorry for you that you live in a world where so many people are lying to you.

          I assure you the color of someone's skin does not matter to me. But theoretically if it did, your argument still doesn't disprove a single claim of mine.

          Please follow the COH, and don't waste posts spewing libel.

          --The Whiz

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          • 3 votes
          #13.1 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 12:27 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":6274556,"authorDomain":"timgard-1"}

          BOO HOO, I bet Obama feels that everything isn't quite as what he'd been told it was. Like they always say, "wish in one hand and $hit in the other, see which one gets fuller first".

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          • 1 vote
          Reply#14 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 12:38 AM EDT
          {"commentId":6275462,"authorDomain":"CorruptionEruption"}

          Whiz:

          Me thinks people think you are a staunch republican whose ranting against a democrat whom now sits in a chair stunk up by a mental midget.

          Correct me if I'm wrong, which I'm sure you will, but I think you're in a rather large group ,who are soooooo tired of rhetoric, lies, deceit, special interest groups and corruption, that "Change" cannot happen honestly, or quickly enough for.

          I'm going to give this guy a few months, I don't expect much, he's a politician. To be quite honest, taking into account the state of the economy, airlifting the presidential limo to Canada for a 30 minute meet & greet with Harper,(minor issue), pi$$ed me off. The cost of that alone would have paid my mortgage off and a nice vacation.

          This is transparency: I have never vote for any politician that has accepted special interest or corporate money. My Grandfather lost everything in the depression, and my father lived through the immediate post depression era. They both taught me something I didn't really understand until high school, had a GREAT social studies teacher too. This is it, and I have the feeling that MANY think this but HOPE it's not so.

          " Anyone who spends millions of dollars, handed to them by corporations or lobbyists, to aquire a job that pays a fraction of what they can make in the private sector, does not, cannot and will not have your best interests in mind." They went on to add: " Politicians study history and know the easiest way to control people, fear. They are masters at prestidigitation and prevarication, just like houdini who diverts your attention away from the mechanics of the trick. They'll throw you a bone, while they eat the steak then tell you the steak was tough."

          Sorry this is a little long, but It is relevant. I was very fortunate to have independent, rational role models. Not everyone has had that benefit. Kids are taught in school to trust government. A nice sentiment....Some may call my view narcisistic, that's fine, but through the years, in my eyes, all signs point to reality. So, as for Obama, he's under Bush on the AIG contribution list........a sign, no?

          Great seed Whiz! At least this kind of medium gets us all discussing, and that's a good thing!!

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            Reply#15 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 3:04 AM EDT
            {"commentId":6282958,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}

            Me thinks people think you are a staunch republican whose ranting against a democrat whom now sits in a chair stunk up by a mental midget.

            Correct me if I'm wrong, which I'm sure you will, but I think you're in a rather large group ,who are soooooo tired of rhetoric, lies, deceit, special interest groups and corruption, that "Change" cannot happen honestly, or quickly enough for.

            I'm actually not a Staunch anything. But I would classify myself as someone who thought that Barack might be the one to bring true change, but am dissappointed with his performance so far.

            Great seed Whiz! At least this kind of medium gets us all discussing, and that's a good thing!!

            Well that was the point of this article, to provide a critical look at the President's performance so far, not to throw him under the bus but to say look, this isn't what we wanted and to talk about what we think about his performance so far. Thank you for taking note.

            --The Whiz

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            • 2 votes
            #15.1 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 2:22 PM EDT
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            {"commentId":6275823,"authorDomain":"pobox522rlyeh"}
            Correct me if I'm wrong, which I'm sure you will, but I think you're in a rather large group ,who are soooooo tired of rhetoric, lies, deceit, special interest groups and corruption, that "Change" cannot happen honestly, or quickly enough for.

            There is a different way of referring to this group, which is not quite so kind but a bit more accurate.

            They judge from the outside, angrily, desiring that their lives attain a greater level of perfection. Knowing they will never be allowed into office, they constantly turn up the volume on their complaints and yell louder and louder, confusing rage for virtue. They have many different opinions on the right way to run a country, and all have a problem with the current candidate. And because of whatever the main real problem is, they find fault with a million little things that he does, ignoring the fact that any of the other candidates would be in pretty much the same position as he is now.

            Great seed Whiz! At least this kind of medium gets us all discussing, and that's a good thing!!

            Intellectual discourse is good, this sort of thing not so much. Starting with specific issues rather then advertising his anger would have been nice.

            It always annoyed me when Barack Obama used the "Change" slogan, because it was so general and meaningless. He used it to suit his purposes, though to his credit if you listened to his speeches he got far more specific about what he planned to do when he was elected. Now people use the ephemeral "Change" slogan for their own purposes to curse. "This isn't the Change we wanted!"

            You would have said that no matter what. It's a general meaningless phrase, so people like you get to spin it however you like. Had McCain, or Romney, or anyone else been elected, their response would either been either the same, or much worse. We need the stimulus, and you seem to assume a level of personal control over AIG that doesn't exist.

            This is not the Change we voted for, this was not the intention of anyone's vote except those who may be categorized as the extreme left. Nobody said we did not want capitalism, nobody said we wanted a 25% GDP to debt ratio, nobody said we wanted you to spend more, nobody said we wanted you to control executive pay, nobody said we wanted you to own massive amounts of stock in 'private' companies, nobody said we wanted you to force bills through Congress, nobody said we wanted you to expand the executive branches powers, nobody said we wanted this...

            I know what socialism is, and this isn't it. Passing a stimulus bill does not mean we are no longer capitalist. Perhaps you should go to a socialist country sometime and see the reality. I have, it takes more then a huge stimulus bill or deficit to make you socialist, whatever the republicans may say.

            Everybody forces bills through Congress, because that's how laws are made. If someone else had been elected, someone else would be forcing bills through Congress. The republicans used strongarm tactics far in excess of what the current crew is using, and used the same means of reconciliation that are being proposed now. You don't dislike him because he's "forcing laws through congress," you dislike it for the same reason the republicans.

            The republicans want to force their own laws through congress just like they used to, and they just can't take the fact that he's using the same means they used to, to get his stimulus passed. They don't give a damn about the means, they don't like what he is doing period.

            Here's the truth of the matter. You may not be an entrenched republican, but what you really wanted above all else is to be able to complain. It's a great goal, because you'll always be able to do it. At the end, someone has to be a realist and try to fix the issues placed before them. He is trying to do that. Hopefully the number of people like you who impotently yell and scream will not be so great as to make that impossible.

            When Obama ran his campaign, he indicated stimulus would be necessary. Where is the lying? I've been watching the election, and watching what he is doing now, and viewed without the hysteria I think I'm seeing pretty the same guy I always did. I listened to the speeches, I've watched what's occuring, and I don't see any lying.

            He said he'd try to be bipartisan, and he did. Surprise, surprise, there are limits on how often he will go to that well. If he screwed around for a few months later to try and get the republicans to work with him, and waited while the recession gets worse, would that have been better? I think not.

            He said he'd negotiate more often and send in troops less, and that is pretty much the picture I have today. He said he'd put science back on top, and he has. And he said he would try to stimulate the economy, and he is.

            Perhaps he will ultimately fail. I'm sure you will eagerly work for that to happen, but whether he fails or not, we got what we voted for. As you say, you didn't vote for him, and you hope he goes down in flames. And now that the mess with AIG has occurred, you get to act all enraged. It's a nice excuse, I suppose.

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            • 3 votes
            Reply#16 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 5:13 AM EDT
            {"commentId":6278907,"authorDomain":"CorruptionEruption"}

            I agree with a lot of what you've stated in your opinion. The "anger" has a root cause. I think many people , regardless of party affiliation, have a difficult time defining or realizing the root.

            Let's face it, there's been a lot to get angry about in politics for many years. I believe, as stated in my opinion above, that a lot of us unrealistically expect immediate change. I see strides taken by this admin. for the good, some not so good. As far as being bipartisan, he's miles ahead of the last guy, but in the same light, he needs to quit pointing that out and stand on his own merit.

            As for the AIG fiasco, I think it's cause for concern . I remember reading somewhere that Obama returned the funds given to his campaign under the AIG name, if so, kudos to him.

            Like I said, I'll give the guy a few months before passing judgement, but I won't ignore the "signs", as I haven't with any politician. How politicians spend our money, for the perceived benefit of "we the people", should always be under close scrutiny, as should politicians themselves.

            Good Post SJ.......

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              #16.1 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 10:56 AM EDT
              {"commentId":6284970,"authorDomain":"molliebea"}

              This is my second time stating this, but "these people" who are having SO MUCH trouble "accepting" the President - and that is exactly what it is- accepting- are suffering from "separation and loss anxiety" and thus experiencing "GRIEF". As such, "they" are in the throes of the grieving experience. The majority of "them" are in the "shock/denial" phase and the remainder are experiencing the stage called "Anger". The last 3 phases, Negotiation or Bargaining, Depression and finally, Acceptance, will be more identifiable to most of them as they struggle to get "over or through it". Dr. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross is a good authority on this principle and has outstanding material on the subject as she is considered an authority on the matter.

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              • 1 vote
              #16.2 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 4:05 PM EDT
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              {"commentId":6277049,"authorDomain":"paulpeg1"}

              He now seeks to control the wages of workers?

              Business, industry, and congress have control workers wages for years, I think a little equal treatment is in order. The fat cats keep getting fatter while we lose.

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                Reply#17 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 9:00 AM EDT
                {"commentId":6277177,"authorDomain":"xcomunic8ed"}

                Not the change we voted for

                in the effort of full disclosure I did not vote for then Mr. Obama

                huh?

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                • 2 votes
                Reply#18 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 9:09 AM EDT
                {"commentId":6277881,"authorDomain":"pdeuth"}

                You didn't vote for change, anyhow. You voted for more of the same. You're against change. That said, what's your point?

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                • 1 vote
                Reply#19 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 9:56 AM EDT
                {"commentId":6283215,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}
                You didn't vote for change, anyhow. You voted for more of the same. You're against change. That said, what's your point?

                My point is we've gotten more of the same of Bush, I personally saw my vote for McCain as change, despite the rhetoric there were few similarities between McCain and Bush. I may have been more inclined to urge others to vote for McCain had I known how many similarities existed between Obama and Bush.

                --The Whiz

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                • 2 votes
                #19.1 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 2:36 PM EDT
                {"commentId":6285464,"authorDomain":"xcomunic8ed"}
                there were few similarities between McCain and Bush

                Except for their voting records. Oh and the non-stop pandering to the right wing.

                .....oh how about knowing nothing about the economy other than screaming just cut taxes......

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                • 1 vote
                #19.2 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 4:31 PM EDT
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                {"commentId":6278018,"authorDomain":"yorkark"}

                It is this kind of voter who will take all the credit if things go well and none of it if no. This article is a waste of time and space.

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                • 1 vote
                Reply#20 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 10:04 AM EDT
                {"commentId":6290798,"authorDomain":"RETLAW"}

                Agreed...And, he didn't bother to respond to my post 10.1, above.

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                #20.1 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 10:36 PM EDT
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                {"commentId":6279287,"authorDomain":"kitcey"}

                Obama has changed the country...in the wrong direction: We are no longer fighting the war on terror--hope someone told the terrorists, we now pay for abortions all over the world as well as here, the government has granted de facto amnesty to all illegal immigrants--no longer deporting illegals captured by ICE, we have passed legislation to triple the debt in 10 years, Obama has become CEO of GM though he has never run anything before, ACORN was given $5 billion and now will be playing a major part in the census, even though they are investigated in 14 states and numerous convictions for voter fraud...

                Yeah, the country is changing...not in a good way for most though.

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                Reply#21 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 11:16 AM EDT
                {"commentId":6279762,"authorDomain":"petalsndreams2002"}

                CiC

                There you go again spreading your phony outrages and lies. Show proof that ACORN was given 5 Billion----none. Show proof that ACORN was convicted of anything----NONE. We are no longer fighting against terrorists??? wtf ?? That is stupid and you know it. Just because the faux war on terror term, stupid name, war on a tactic?? wtf. This is ridiculous.

                I have noticed that the gopeer's will believe anything, the crazier the better.

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                #21.1 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 11:40 AM EDT
                {"commentId":6280035,"authorDomain":"petalsndreams2002"}

                One guy hired by ACORN was convicted of voter REGISTRATION FRAUD. Registration fraud is putting false names and numbers on a REGISTRATION FORM, because the people that ACORN hires are poor, homeless, jobless. They need the money so they fill out the forms falsely. The majority of the fake registrations are caught before they are turned in. THIS DOES NOT MEAN MICKEY MOUSE WILL SHOW UP TO VOTE.

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                #21.2 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 11:54 AM EDT
                {"commentId":6281383,"authorDomain":"pdeuth"}

                You're wasting your time and energy trying to communicate with somebody from the right-wing. Those wingers are different than you or I: they start with a conclusion and then go looking for whatever might support their prejudice(s). If there are no facts or stories from reality to do that, they simply make something up. It's about an agenda, folks, not communication, for the wingers. Engage with them if you like, but do it knowing that it's for naught if communication is your goal; or if setting the record straight is your goal; or if (!) getting them to change their agenda is your goal. As a matter of fact, by trying to do any of the above, know that you're quite likely to be giving the wingers pleasure. I assume that such pleasure-giving isn't what you have in mind.

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                #21.3 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 1:03 PM EDT
                {"commentId":6285487,"authorDomain":"xcomunic8ed"}

                in other words "don't feed the trolls"

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                  #21.4 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 4:33 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":6287120,"authorDomain":"mat73296816"}

                  I guess just like WMD war and VP runs business behind the scene. Now, we can not get out of the mess but continue with no solutions insight. No other country wants to help, pouring 10 billions a month and this country ran out of monies. The politicians blaming each others. One says we go right and the other says no we go left. AND NOBODY KNOWS THE REAL ANSWER. If nothing is done small working with little pay people will get hurt. IF ANYONE AT ALL HAS BETTER PLAN, pleasse submit it to the President. So he can solve this mess.

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                    #21.5 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 6:06 PM EDT
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                    {"commentId":6282458,"authorDomain":"riddlemedoooo"}

                    I agree to an extent with what you've said except that global capitalism is not a problem, it very definitely is....however I agree that there is little change for the GOOD. Just like the last administration he is taxing the poor more than the rich sucking the blood out of people who can LEAST afford it! And one thing the Democratic Party was supposed to be mainly about is the POOR!

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                      Reply#22 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 1:56 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":6282714,"authorDomain":"GApeach1"}

                      Let me help you out, since you've obviously lost your mind. Only a fool, would judge the performance of someone serving a four year term, three months into that four year term! Unless you have psychic friends, how can you say "promises" have been broken?! Seriously explain the logic behind this, because I can't see it. Did Obama say he would have everything fixed in three month's? If it were that simple, it would have been done by now!

                      Traditionally a president's "promises" and whether or not that president kept his promises, are looked at when they leave or about to leave office. That way you can compare what they promised to do and what they actually did! See simple, not complicated at all. Today we can compare what Bush promised versus what he actually did, since he's not in office. In other words, We don't need psychic friends to know he screwed us, we can see it!!!

                      Bringing up Bush is a non-sequitar by the way, he's not the President anymore, Obama is.

                      I picked this one because it proves my point. Bush isn't the president anymore, yet instead of tracking his "promises" you pick the new president, whose not even close to completing his first year?! You actually think that makes sense?

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                        Reply#23 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 2:09 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":6283263,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}
                        Let me help you out, since you've obviously lost your mind. Only a fool, would judge the performance of someone serving a four year term, three months into that four year term! Unless you have psychic friends, how can you say "promises" have been broken?! Seriously explain the logic behind this, because I can't see it. Did Obama say he would have everything fixed in three month's? If it were that simple, it would have been done by now!

                        I'm not expecting it all to be fixed, I merely pointed out promises he has broken so far, Transparency does not require four years...

                        --The Whiz

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                        #23.1 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 2:38 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":6288474,"authorDomain":"mat73296816"}

                        At least, he is clearer than the previous one.

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                          #23.2 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 7:40 PM EDT
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                          {"commentId":6284081,"authorDomain":"molliebea"}

                          To whiz: you stated that you DID NOT VOTE for President Obama, so what's your beef? You did not believe him anyway - right? So what are you b-xtching about? Your opinions only PROVED you correct- right? Apparently you just like to hear yourself talk or see yourself in print. But I am sick and tired of you attempting to denigrate my President, Barack Obama based upon your selfish motivations. I also find it hard to believe that you work ANYWERE. How do you manage a fulltime job and devote so much time to your pitiful diatribes and dissention against someone you didn't even vote for- and apparently do not like. You're pitiful with a capital P.

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                            Reply#24 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 3:22 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":6284209,"authorDomain":"politicalwhiz"}

                            MaryEllen do us all a favor and read the COH.

                            Beyond that in the case of the election, I was proven right. But I would've preferred to have been wrong. I may not have voted for Obama, but that doesn't mean I didn't have hope for his success.

                            But I am sick and tired of you attempting to denigrate my President, Barack Obama based upon your selfish motivations.

                            Not denigrate, hold accountable. He made promises, he broke promises, right or wrong?

                            --The Whiz

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                            #24.1 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 3:28 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":6287477,"authorDomain":"mat73296816"}

                            There is no right nor wrong because it may be right for me but not for you, or maybe it may be wrong for me but right for you. Now, do you get it. Some people agree with you and some don't. As long as, a person TRIES to do the best possible that he or she can. Pleasing all human beings, that is impossible. Otherwise, we all are happy people.

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                              #24.2 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 6:31 PM EDT
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                              {"commentId":6285314,"authorDomain":"molliebea"}

                              to whiz: wrong! And who are you, a person who did not vote for the new President to expect anything? I didn't vote for George W. Bush, didn't expect anything from George W. Bush, and didn't GET anything from George W. Bush! Neither did I complain when things went the other way; I knew that my chance would come to vote him out - and it did and I DID! If you don't vote, don't bxvtch. My President owes you NO ALLEGIANCE whatsoever. Why aren't you harping on all of your Republican cohorts who have no answer to anything -nor alternative plan- except "just say no"? Would that be too easy? Are you afraid that everyone would agree with you? Finally, are you lacking the guts to call the Republicans out on the carpet, or do you just get satisfaction by disparaging our new President who you did not VOTE for?

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                              Reply#25 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 4:24 PM EDT
                              {"commentId":6286319,"authorDomain":"po-poet"}

                              One thing I dont understand, If you didnt vote Obama then of course you didnt get the change you voted for, because the change you voted for lost. So I think the title of your article is a little misleading.

                              I think the people who voted for Obama are getting the change they voted for, it just still is not the change you voted for. But that is ok, you are entitled to your opinion.

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                              Reply#26 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 5:19 PM EDT
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